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Posted: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:20:25 AM
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INSMED has just had another interesting development regarding IPLEX. It's phase two trial for MMD basically failed miserably and this was the condition that the company had said it showed great promise for some time back. The stock price plummeted 50% immediately and in their press release they are now referring to ALS as the condition that this drug may benefit. I know MMD has no real relation to ALS but based on their overhyped "promise" that they mentioned regarding IPLEX in this condition I think we are going to have to take what INSMED has to say regarding IPLEX and ALS going forward with a big grain of salt.

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IPLEX seems to be taking an all too familiar trajectory in the ALS world. A whole hell of a lot of hype based on.....what exactly? Although I can't but be annoyed by the original sources of the hype, I firmly maintain that the fundamental cause of this sad phenomenon is the lack of real choices and promise for those with the most devestating disease. We all need to change that.
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Well put Wayne.

And such isn’t going to happen through wishful thinking nor hand-ringing nor simple kvetching about the FDA or big-pharma, etc, etc.

It takes real work and significant effort and is best and quickest done with rational thought and plans. It is nothing less than drug development. Get involved if you can or, as Sean used to invoke, delegate such to someone you know and who cares.


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Speaking of which, isn't there something that we, i.e. the members of the ALSTDI Web-community, actually can do - except for donating money?
I bet that ALSTDI e.g. could get a lot of free-of-charge literature and information searches if the Web-community was provided with a couple of relevant questions or areas to cover in order to assist you.
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This is very discouraging news for the ALS community. Another emotional ride on the ALS roller coaster.[wall]

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Posted: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:13:47 PM
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And so where does it mention that a trial has been run and show no efficiency in ALS???......how convinient that many here choose to read what benefits their point of view, so much for carefully balanced and fact based commentry.

Let's hope the ALSTDI molecule dosen't follow a similar "too familiar trajectory in the ALS world".....or is this exempt from our regular train of thought and evaluation.
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Searching,

Since you quoted me I will answer. Do I hope that the molecule will not follow the traditional trajectory. Well of course, I hope that. There is no assumption that this molecule will work. Why would there be?

There are some important differences however, in how these stories have unfolded. The story of IPLEX began with a series of blogs. And from what I read, it was originally spread by a blog that claimed effectivity based on only a few weeks of use.

Any objective analysis of a treatment of ALS would not rely on a few weeks of data. Anyone that is objective wouldn't do it. However, such blogs can be powerful and seductive. Also I will note that in the passionate defense of IPLEX, there were several references to the MMD trials, basically to show that this IGF-1 derived product was superior to the others already available. Apparently that was an incorrect conclusion.

As for the "molecule", there is so far objectively little to get excited about although there is enough to have interest. Its a hit on a model in one lab. That represents a beginning of a question not an answer or a conclusion.

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Posted: Sunday, June 28, 2009 11:09:56 PM
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Wayne,
You and I have both read through enough threads to know exactly were ALS cures as a whole stand as of today, and we both know that even if something was found today the reality of getting access to it will not be tomorrow.
Now what pisses me off immensely (and this is not intended for just you Wayne) is the bias that can be shown towards one therapeutic all because of the origin of information.
Iplex has had strong theory and scientific backing, so much that even ALSTDI are interested in IGF-1's role, as we all know the hurdle was and is crossing the blood brain barrier. This is a drug that was initially released for infants and approved by the FDA, but hey let’s question if it’s safe for adults!! No trial has in the past and of yet, nor the future been planed, set up or destined for any form of ALS. So what if it failed in MMD it isn’t ALS so why are the ney sayers suddenly vindicated in telling us all “I told you so” is far beyond me. It is showing benefit in over 50% of the people taking it at the moment and you know what that's a lot more than anything that's been tested in a SOD1 mouse has ever shown. So get off the high horse and until hard facts are released, if and when someone has the guts to put it into a mouse and trial it then we/you can gloat. The worst thing about Iplex is the price and availability, cause if it were cheaper like Lithium and accessible like Lithium everyone would be charging to the pharmacy to get it, at least then we’d have some real facts that we could all relate to and just like Lithium end speculation to any therapeutic value, the thing has minimal side effect if any.
So many have suddenly pined the hope of a cure on this “molecule” all because it came from ALSTDI. Suddenly everyone has lost any reality in the fact that this molecule has just as much chance of proving to be off therapeutic value as a glass of water, but everyone seems content on believing that we’re all well on the way to the end of ALS all that is a problem is when.
Sure Iplex can and may be nothing but a waste of money, so too is Rilutek/zole and MND/ALS associations world wide as well as the FDA have this as the only treatment for ALS, and what success if any does it show? But no campaign rains supreme to end the sale of this product purely in the interests of PALS everywhere. Oh yeah how cheap is it?
I remember all the buzz when tp40 or whatever it was, was discovered and that this was to be the molecule that therapeutics needed to target if we were ever to see the end of ALS, what’s happened to that? Lets not even try to discus SOD1 which is what the mouse model or the benchmark for any drug/therapeutic is tested against, this only covers 5-10% of cases of ALS and yet it has the final say on what is of value or not!
Let’s get a grip on the facts people and so far we have none if any that are unbiased and undoubtedly accurate we have little if any info on this molecule for a start just a tease, sort of like the ones peddled by the stem cell operators in China/Mexico/Belize etc.
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Searchin - nicely said.

Frankly I would emphasise that a lot of research is being done in Europe and other continents as well - with all the respect to TDI, I am really astonished by what they do, but this is not the only organization to work on ALS cure.

I congratulate and am happy for TDI to having discovered this molecule, but considering lack of information and long way that is predicted for its translation into the cure I do not regard it as a real breakthrought and fulfillement of their mission.

What I suggest (unfortunately do not have neither possibilities nor resources) is a center of world's research coordination - whose mission would be basicly the share of information comming worldwide...But if every research is being kept in secret due to business side of the story, such would be worthless which unfortunately substantially delays effective therapy...

I hope for another thing - that any new drug which is going to detronize holy rilutek is not going to show efficacy at the level of 20% more to lifespan. Such success after so many years would be very discouraging...
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Posted: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:44:58 AM
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searching wrote:

So many have suddenly pined the hope of a cure on this “molecule” all because it came from ALSTDI. Suddenly everyone has lost any reality in the fact that this molecule has just as much chance of proving to be off therapeutic value as a glass of water, but everyone seems content on believing that we’re all well on the way to the end of ALS all that is a problem is when.


I am not sure who of us are pinning our hopes on the molecule; I have only seen the thirst for more information and the rational explanation of why more information will be forthcoming down the road.

Your comments have made me think, though. I do apply more credibility to ALSTDI than others. That trust may be misplaced, but I think not. Why? For one thing, it seems to me that ALSTDI is searching for a therapeutic for a disease, not looking for a disease to fit a therapeutic. That may be overly simplistic, but it strikes me as the proper ordering of things.



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Good point, Scott. We’ve seen this in ALS in the past with recent examples including the lithium and minocycline debacles (the latter somehow the darling of neurodegeneration trials but found to actually increase progression in some ALS patients while the former was considered for ALS by the Italian PD researchers after it failed to show affect in the Parkinson’s model).

One of the strong commitments from TDI is to let the data guide our direction and lead to the effective drugs.


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Nemesis wrote:
Speaking of which, isn't there something that we, i.e. the members of the ALSTDI Web-community, actually can do - except for donating money?
I bet that ALSTDI e.g. could get a lot of free-of-charge literature and information searches if the Web-community was provided with a couple of relevant questions or areas to cover in order to assist you.


Hi Nemesis,
Great question – there is a whole spectrum of ways that folks can participate and accelerate the research towards effective drugs. These range from direct contributions, organizing fundraises such as events including golfing, music, etc to networking or connections to political figures and so on. Given the need, no effort is inconsequential and I can only encourage folks to contact our office and ask how to help: you will be connected with folks who can give more specifics. I can point out one particular route which is to become a TDI Ambassador – find out more at http://www.als.net/ambassador/default.asp


Specifically, on the research area – what folks do already on this forum is of relevance. I and colleagues monitor the discussion and may extract aspects for our discussions and debates. At this point there wouldn’t be any good mechanism in place for reference retrieval, however.


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Wayne
Posted: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:24:58 AM
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I was thinking about letting this one slide, but here goes. You said,

"It is showing benefit in over 50% of the people taking it at the moment and you know what that's a lot more than anything that's been tested in a SOD1 mouse has ever shown. So get off the high horse and until hard facts are released, if and when someone has the guts to put it into a mouse and trial it then we/you can gloat."

This is the kind "hype" that I referred to in my first post. Where do you get such a statistic? Is it just something that is passed from one IPLEX supporter to another until it becomes fact. As for your second point about the mouse, you lost me. In the end no-one cares a whit whether it works in a mouse or not. They care about whether it works in a human.

Your whole post seems to be a misunderstanding of the situation. IPLEX didn't have strong scientific basis behind it. It had very little basis in fact. It has what exactly? IGF-1 trials failed. Mouse trials claiming efficacy in gene therapy IGF-1 were dropped. No word of efficacy from ALS-TDI in their IGF-1 mouse trials. And MMD trials failed. So instead of looking at it as "naysayers" trying to tear down IPLEX, please try to view it the other way. What DOES it have behind it? What proof.

A few initial blogs by people in the US that claimed efficacy after a few weeks and some hear-say of Italian posters who claimed its efficacy in their program. Not much. And after reading ALS blogs for the last 7 years, I would say zero.
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Wayne,
The 50% are the Italian patients and the infor is easily accessed by anyone visiting the Insmed web site, but that's just made up stuf oh and if you have some spare time read below but thenagain this too is made up stuff passed on from one Iplex member to another, how dare I sugest your coments be the standard negative passed on from one "nay sayer" to another many Iplex and related thread full of those sort of comments though.....:


The Scientific and Empirical Foundations of IPLEX for ALS

ALS is a fatal, progressive neurodegenerative disorder that has a relentless progression from onset towards total paralysis; death is typically from respiratory failure, usually within 3-5 years from diagnosis. There has been no known treatment, cure or hope. The only FDA approved medication for ALS is Rilutek, for which the most generous studies suggest that it extends life by 90 days and at a cost of $1000 per month. Rilutek further causes liver damage and extreme fatigue besides being ineffective.

Research has long shown that Insulin-like growth factor (IGF) has the potential to be an effective treatment for ALS. Free IGF is neuroprotective and spurs axonal outgrowth in vitro, as evidenced by the following study:
http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v9/n11/abs/nn1789.html

The second link states “experiments with another type of neuron and with several different growth factors verified that axonal growth was stimulated only by IGF-1”.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-11/mgh-gfs110306.php

Another research trial states “Compared with the placebo, 0.1 mg/kg/day rhIGF-I significantly attenuated the progression of ALS.13 These studies merit emphasis that IGF-I is biologically and structurally distinct from ciliary neurotrophic factor and brain derived neurotrophic factor.13
http://jnnp.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/69/2/199

The following link posits that Free IGF is the only growth factor shown to be neuroprotective, stating “In this regard, the IGFs have been shown to be neurotrophic factors, i.e., they promote the survival and differentiation of neuronal cells, including sensory, sympathetic, and motor neurons (MNs). In fact, the IGFs are the only known growth factors that support both sensory and motor nerve regeneration in adult IGF-I, is involved in brain plasticity processes and it specifically modulates synaptic efficacy by regulating synapse formation, neurotransmitter release, and neuronal exicitability”.
http://edrv.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/26/7/916

IGF-I prevents neuronal apoptosis –“The ability of IGF-I (and IGF-II) to promote neuronal survival is associated with the ability of these factors to prevent apoptosis, and IGF-I appears to be a potent agent for rescuing neurons from apoptosis. For example, IGF-I prevents N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA)- and nitric oxide-induced apoptosis in hippocampal and cortical neurons”.
http://edrv.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/26/7/916

Apoptosis is widely recognized in ALS and neurodegeneration. The following is from the ALSA. “Cells that do not receive the proper supplies will die, through a step wise process called apoptosis. This is a normal physiologic phenomenon and in fact apoptosis is crucial to the normal development of the nervous system. But halting apoptosis when it is producing degenerative change in the nervous system is now a prime goal for researchers trying to design effective treatments for ALS as well as for other neurological disorders.”
http://www.alsa.org/research/article.cfm?id=821


However, free IGF1, known by their pharmaceutical names Myotrophin and Increlex, have difficulties in dosing, half life and inability to cross the blood brain barrier. Iplex, which is free IGF combined with binding protein IGF-3, one of six naturally occurring binding proteins, has been shown to cross the blood brain barrier.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17008777?dopt=AbstractPlus.

Free IGF does NOT freely cross the blood brain barrier. http://edrv.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/26/7/916 (section IV)

Iplex is also shown to reduce muscle atrophy http://www.ebmonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/228/8/891

Iplex is also shown to have a greater half life than free IGF “The half-life of IGF-1 in the ternary complex is >12 hr. Proteolytic cleavage of IGFBP-3 and interaction of the ternary complex with proteoglycans have been shown to release IGF-1 from the ternary complex.” This table shows the significantly extended half life of Iplex over free IGF.
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/iplex_cp.htm


Table 1. Mean (±SD) Pharmacokinetic Parameters in Patients with Primary IGFD Treated with IPLEXTM 1 mg/kg (n= 4)
Cmax(ng/mL) Tmax(hr) AUC0-60(ng hr/mL) Half-life(hr)
IGF-1 133±19 11.3±6.2 3654±237 13.4±2.7
IGFBP-3 1574±401 19.5±9.0 62525±8352 54.1±31

Multiple studies have been done on alternate delivery methods of IGF to try to overcome the dosing, half life, and side effect profile of free IGF, including intrathecal injection. The following abstract shows that intrathecal delivery of IGF has a modest but significant benefit in ALS patients. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16197815?dopt=AbstractPlus.

In addition, studies have been done using a viral vector delivery, again, showing benefit.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12907804?dopt=AbstractPlus .

This study acknowledges the difficulty of getting enough IGF in the body for a period long enough to establish effect.

Dr. Eva Feldman, prominent ALS researcher, recently stated in her article titled “Insulin Like Growth Factors in the Peripheral Nervous System” that “… Despite the positive results in animal models, these therapies have not translated into successful treatment for human patients. Lack of IGF-I efficacy is most often due to inadequate delivery of IGF-I. The IGFs are regulated by a family of IGFBPs that protect them from enzymatic degradation in the circulation and sequester IGF in tissue compartments. The function of the IGFBPs is beyond the scope of this brief summary but cannot be ignored when considering IGF therapy.”
endo.endojournals.org/cgi/rapidpdf/en.2008-1020v1.pdf

This is where the Iplex story truly begins. ALS research has long tried to overcome the obstacles that free IGF (found in Increlex and Myotrophin) present. Dosing, half life, and side effects provided barriers to efficacy. With the introduction of Iplex, it was found that these side effects were overcome. The addition of the natural binding protein allows for significantly higher dosing, passes the blood brain barrier, and has a markedly increased half life. Iplex also has a significantly reduced side effect profile, and is delivered by once daily injection, rather than twice daily.

Iplex (mecasermin rinfabate) was originally FDA approved for severe short stature due to Primary IGF Deficiency (IGFD), and has been through varied stages of clinical testing for multiple other indications, including premature birth retinopathy , HARS, Noonan Syndrome, Myotonic Muscular Dystrophy, insulin resistance, Lephrechaunism and Laron Syndrome. The drug is safe and well tolerated, even in premature infants.

Upon the release of Iplex in November 2006, it was shortly thereafter off-label prescribed for twelve ALS patients in the US. Of these, eight were carefully monitored during the period of their Iplex usage between January – March 2007. The results were remarkable for these patients. Careful tracking and analysis confirmed that each of them experienced remarkable gains, in a short period of time, in multiple areas of function. Patients were able to change their dietary regimen from pureed foods only at the onset of Iplex usage to normal adult meals after a short period of therapy (as little as 5-7 days). All patients reported gains in multiple other areas of function, including but not limited to, improvement in weight gain, respiration capacity, hand and foot motor function, minimized spasticity and rigidity and reduction of untoward fasciculations. The multiplicities of these functional improvements suggest relief in both areas of upper and lower motor dysfunction. Because of the rapidity of the improvement onset, it is possible that patients benefited from both placebo effect and immediate neuronal reinnervation. After Iplex was summarily withdrawn from US and other market distribution in March 2007, and the then-existing supply of the pharmaceutical was exhausted, all patients shortly thereafter (usually within 3 -4 weeks) returned to their pre-Iplex condition.

Ben Byer, ALS patient and director of the documentary film “Indestructible”, best summarized the Iplex effect: “By removing IPLEX Genentech has monopolized the market on one of the most destitute, devastated and hopeless patient populations in the world with a drug that by my estimation is like trying to get drunk on cough syrup when there's a case of bourbon locked in the closet." Read the entire article at:
http://indestructiblefilm.com/blog/?m=200711

The Italian Ministry of Health, after successful litigation by an ALS patient in Italy, was court-mandated to provide IGF-1 to that patient and others so requesting IGF-1 to treat them. The only company to respond and comply with the MOH requests was Insmed, with their product Iplex. By January 2007 30 Italian patients had begun using Iplex under condition of a closely conducted observation by a local neurologist, rather than as a clinical test study. This became known as an expanded access program, since growing to more than 100 patients supervised by 22 treating physicians in less than 18 months. According to Insmed, no patients have dropped out of the expanded access program for safety or side-effect issues. Italian ALS patients have reported stabilization of progression, either at least significantly slowing or completely stopping progression. In some cases, significant improvement has also been reported. The following links provide patient, medical supervisor and Ministry of Health documentation of Iplex results (all articles following are in Italian):

This article is about Carlo Bruno, ALS patient who initiated the legal action against the Ministry of Health.
http://www.giornalettismo.com/archives/927/malattie-dimenticate-la-guerra-di-carlo-e-la-sla/

Regional councilperson Giancarlo D' Anna reports improvements in symptoms of patients with ALS taking Iplex in this article. http://www.cami74.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=15781

This patient reports no further progression of ALS for a one year period since beginning use of Iplex
http://www.xs4all.nl/~surg3on/INSM/20080302_ALS_EAP_testimonial.pdf

This legal article states that Iplex significantly improves patients with ALS lives
http://www.studiolegalelaw.it/new.asp?id=2077


This article quotes the former head of Ministry of Health as saying that Iplex was the first effective known treatment for ALS. http://www.sangiovannirotondonet.it/content/view/970/44/

This article from the Italian ALS association states that Iplex was the first drug to meaningfully slow down progression, and improve patient quality of life.
http://www.monzapiu.it/news/entry.php?id=93&w=cnd_news
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Searching,

Did you actually read the INSMED site and the report from Italy. 110 patients enrolled. As of the report 57 were either out or dead and 53 still on it. So how are you claiming that >50% was helped by it.

Now as for the patients still on the drug, this statement was made:


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To date, 54 patients have been treated for at least 6 months and have both pre-treatment and 6-month ALSFRS-R values. In this cohort, pre-treatment ALSFRS-R is 30.0 ± 7.9, 6-month ALSFRS-R is 25.7 ± 9.6, and the ALSFRS-R decline from pre-treatment through the last available ALSFRS-R value is 0.68 points per month. In 20% of these patients, on-treatment ALSFRS-R values did not change over time or slightly increased.
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20% of 54 is 11 patients. 11 patients could have had their progression halted. Thats out of 110. And note that I specifically said "could have", because out of 110 patients it is expected that some percentage will not show degradation of ALS-FRS scores in six months to a year.

Now once again how do you claim MORE THAN 50% were "helped" by IPLEX.



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Wayne,
The ones that have passed away were from complications not related to ALS, of course this would not be deemed a acceptable reply for you but hey.
I have a letter from one of the treationg Dr's who is part of the team who states these figures you, I will dig it up and post it soon, no I'm not stalling to fabricate as I'm sure I will be acused of LOL. And yes I do realise that the whole Italian thing is not a legitamate trial with double blind placebo yadayada...etc however all this has been discused in detailed argued documented questioned etc etc in the passed on other threads in this foum so we're just reliving everything again.
Thanks for adding critique to the scientific reasoning for Iplex....oh sorry no you didn't comment on that LOL
Wayne
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Searching,

I don't pretend to be a scientist. It is well known that IGF-1 has been studied due to its neural properties. So have many types of drugs. This interest resulted in three clinical trials that concluded that there was no observable positive effect for IGF-1. Although it can be argued that this doesn't exclude IPLEX, it definitely doesn't support it.

The intrathecal trial that you referenced had nine patients divided into two IGF-1 and placebo groups. Although useful for safety, this is useless for efficacy considerations. You can take two groups of four patients each and I will guarantee you that there will be a progression difference between the two, no matter what the treatment. You need more patients to get an average for each group that has meaning.

I don't know how long you've been around ALS, but I was very much in the know about the IGF-1 gene therapy mouse study. This was announced by Kaspar and Gage in 2003 with much fanfare and a statement that trials could begin in "about a year". This then disappeared off the map cold. The same researchers announced that they had a positive mouse study by wheel exercise and by combining wheel exercise and IGF_1 gene therapy also. This called into question the whole test procedure. Its worth noting that ALS-TDI has not published any repetition of an IGF-1 gene therapy. I find it most likely that they had seen nothing but noise. And after that became clear, they authors quietly dropped it.

You then quote Ben Byer. In his blog he states "Within days I experienced rapid improvements in walking, speaking, appetite, swallowing and - critically - breathing. It felt like my body was under a seismic shift and IPLEX was jolting the foundation of the disease.

There is no way that a long-term slowing of a disease can be evaluated "in a few days".

The rest seem to be in Italian or the link doesn't work.

In short Searching I believe that the IPLEX story is one that has been repeated too many times. BNG was one before. There will be more later. I don't understand why you are so angry at those who are skeptics. IF we are wrong, those taking the drug should be able to show that such is the case. I do not "cheer" for anyone to have their ALS progress. I do not take satisfaction in people having their hopes dashed. You are on the high-horse Searching not me. But I am tired of seeing ALS patients led down the golden path. Only to have one more disappointment heaped on them.
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Is it your opinion that the answer to ALS will be found in a pill Wayne?

I just saw a TV news special on a new heart stemcell clinical procedure that shows promise of repairing damaged sections of the heart following a heart attack.

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See Wayne this is the exact type of evaluation and critique that no one is showing toward the ALSTDI "molecule" discovery and yet anything else, you guy's will clutch at the slightest hint of possible failure to scream out "foul". Yet when ALSTDI come out to state they have found something, but won’t tell anyone what, you guys are full of hope praise and gratitude....go figure.
I am not telling anyone that Iplex will work, however if and that is a big if, it does help a little shame on all the people who fought to shut it down or profit for the wrong reasons. The only way we can determine if it has benefit is if someone performs a trial, and yet no one wants to, shame as there is more than enough anecdotal and scientific indication that it may help, so it should be investigated either in the mouse or on humans, just like lithium was attacked at challenged so to should this.
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My guess is that much of the positive response to the recently announced ALSTDI molecule on this forum has to do with confidence in the scientific methodologies used by TDI. Many of us have concluded that TDI is not going to make any positive comments about any potential treatment until very, very rigorous testing has been carried out. Caution has always been the watchword.
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