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Omental Transplantation: The Definitive Cure For ALS?
Ark
Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 5:15:12 PM
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RL Schafferr wrote:
I believe this only addresses bulbar ALS , doesn't it? If so, we only scratched ALS surface.

But Dr Rafael responded to me 10 days ago, as follows: "....In my opinion, the moderate stage of spinal form of ALS, can be stoppen and neurological experience,sure !-..."

So, this includes all of us. Sceptic, keep us updated. I decided to stop sending him more mails after I read that you where also doing that. We dont want to flood his inbox either but I am afraid it already is. Currently this thread has over 6000 hits.
Fafut_1
Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 5:32:00 PM
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I posted about the clinic few weeks ago, but with no interest. Being from Poland I can easily get in touch with them

http://www.als.net/forum/yaf_postst50049_CCSVI-facility-in-Poland.aspx
ichisan
Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 5:43:20 PM
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Fafut_1 wrote:
I posted about the clinic few weeks ago, but with no interest. Being from Poland I can easily get in touch with them

http://www.als.net/forum/yaf_postst50049_CCSVI-facility-in-Poland.aspx
Fafut_1, I'm sorry I missed that post. Probably because CCSVI did not ring a bell. Very interesting and very promising. They should also consider ALS, Parkinson's, Huntington's and other neurodegenerative diseases.

Louis
RobGoldstein
Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 5:46:28 PM

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I'm sorry Frank and others, I should not have been so criptic. ALS TDI will continue to monitor this topic and will act on it whenever it can. I should remind folks that I am not a treatment investigator, but if you want, I am happy to reach out to this person that has made these claims and try and get them to send and publish information here. What else would you like me to do?
ichisan
Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 5:49:38 PM
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Another CCSVI post I missed:

ZAMBONI CCSVI

Louis
Fafut_1
Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 6:00:11 PM
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Rob, seems its more than "a" person worldwide, which somehow increases credibility. I dont want to speak on behalf the forum members but Im interested in:

a) consulting this theory with someone who can asess if such mechanism is possible = if ischemia could possibly result in als symptoms and progress in its pattern? Maybe smbd from TDI?

b) contact dc mentionned by you


Many questions remain - like how does it match with mice having mutant sod? does it cause ischemia? why some develop ftd? what with other gene mutations?
Nemesis
Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 6:02:11 PM

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RobGoldstein wrote:

I should remind folks that I am not a treatment investigator... What else would you like me to do?

Get the treatment investigator and anyone else required to provide relvant answers on line asap to reply to questions as they arise.

ichisan/Fafut1, etc. wrote:

Bla, bla Zamboni..


Hold your horses slightly, we're primarely talking arterial insufficiency not venous. But having said this, we may have to consider the latter at a later stage.




Don't just ask what scientists can do to speed up the solution for ALS or when they will do it, instead ask yourself what you can do right now to solve ALS asap.
GusGargoyle
Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 6:08:38 PM

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ichisan wrote:
Another CCSVI post I missed:

ZAMBONI CCSVI

Louis


Seems to be an awful lot of patients who have had no benefit. I'm thinking that omental transplantation may do the job correctly, hopefully?

http://borreliawenttofar.wordpress.com
Nemesis
Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 6:13:29 PM

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A subset of MS, ALS, PD, AD, etc., etc. will certainly have cerebrospinal venous insufficiency, but since arteriosclerosis is much more common, a CCSVI is an expensive lottery ticket with a slim chance of winning compared to OT.




Don't just ask what scientists can do to speed up the solution for ALS or when they will do it, instead ask yourself what you can do right now to solve ALS asap.
prosons
Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 6:51:04 PM

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Hi Rob,
Thanks, I didn't mean that you specifically should research this. I hoped that you would find the appropriate person or persons to do so. I would hope that this issue would become something of a priority to someone within TDI since it is of great importance to the forum members and we have specifically asked for some help with this.

Frank
Nemesis
Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 7:01:27 PM

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Rob wrote:

Remember, there are thousands of PALS, CALS and ALS researchers that read this Forum for information and hang on the words that you write.


Rob, OT like in off-topic, but I'm curious, do you in your capacity as Director of Communications actually have information suggesting that ALS researchers are reading this patient forum?

If so, can you provide a rough percentage of university affiliated users vs. private citizens in your logs?

By the way, out of the same curiosity, can you provide some general statistics for forum visitors per week/month etc.?



Don't just ask what scientists can do to speed up the solution for ALS or when they will do it, instead ask yourself what you can do right now to solve ALS asap.
RL Schafferr
Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 7:18:32 PM

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Several people have tried the neck veins. They do nothing in ALS. Causes strokes though. Let's not confuse anyone with that. We are after omentum suegery to the spine.
ichisan
Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 8:06:19 PM
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RL Schafferr wrote:
Several people have tried the neck veins. They do nothing in ALS. Causes strokes though. Let's not confuse anyone with that. We are after omentum suegery to the spine.
I agree and, besides, the neck veins thing is only temporary since it does not prevent a future relapse. Omentum transplantation, on the other hand, seems to offer a permanent solution by inducing revascularization.

The thing about motor neurons is that they don't just need a constant oxygen flow to function and stay alive (sodium chlorite seems to partially address the hypoxia problem) but also nutrients, which can only be supplied by adequate blood flow. That's where omentum transplantation comes in. Blood has been known as the life substance of the body for millenia. A lack of adequate blood flow leads to cell death. It's a simple theory, really.

Louis
RL Schafferr
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I am not so sure omentum transplants can be the permanent solution to ALS. With the right cocktail of drugs, along with it and years of retraining the body, I see a better chance of success.
ichisan
Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 9:08:46 PM
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GusGargoyle wrote:


Seems to be an awful lot of patients who have had no benefit. I'm thinking that omental transplantation may do the job correctly, hopefully?
Nemesis,

Assuming that the ALS ischemia theory is correct, I wonder if omental transplantation is the only effective route to revascularization. The reason is that it seems to be a rather expensive, delicate and dangerous operation. It would be nice if a known medicinal substance (e.g., vascular endothelial growth factor or precursor) could be directly and precisely injected into the affected tissues with a needle, hopefully with the same results.

Louis
GusGargoyle
Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 9:55:59 PM

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ichisan wrote:
Nemesis,

Assuming that the ALS ischemia theory is correct, I wonder if omental transplantation is the only effective route to revascularization. The reason is that it seems to be a rather expensive, delicate and dangerous operation. It would be nice if a known medicinal substance (e.g., vascular endothelial growth factor or precursor) could be directly and precisely injected into the affected tissues with a needle, hopefully with the same results.

Louis


Me and Nem discussed this as one of four possible theories of why I became better when they took out the titanium. When the tissue healed there was an overflow of VEGF which nerves used to a positive effect. I've never used OSC so it is a possibility. After the tissue healed inside my mouth the effect stopped because of ? Seeing as I know I was practically going to be healed if this VEGF thing would have continued then I wonder why I went back to my old status, should I not have stayed in the more healed condition if the nerves were healed to some extent?

1. Titanium removal + Antibiotics (tried the same antibiotics again for 10 days did not work)
2. Constant Oxygen flow (I've applied for HBO in my city, the hospital is just next to me, waiting for response)
3. Ischemia ( I will apply for a check-up by a vascular surgeon)
4. A combo of all of the above.
5. VEGF (what produces the kind of VEGF I need? can I hurt myself to start that process?)

http://borreliawenttofar.wordpress.com
ichisan
Posted: Sunday, March 11, 2012 12:10:08 AM
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GusGargoyle wrote:


Me and Nem discussed this as one of four possible theories of why I became better when they took out the titanium. When the tissue healed there was an overflow of VEGF which nerves used to a positive effect. I've never used OSC so it is a possibility. After the tissue healed inside my mouth the effect stopped because of ? Seeing as I know I was practically going to be healed if this VEGF thing would have continued then I wonder why I went back to my old status, should I not have stayed in the more healed condition if the nerves were healed to some extent?

1. Titanium removal + Antibiotics (tried the same antibiotics again for 10 days did not work)
2. Constant Oxygen flow (I've applied for HBO in my city, the hospital is just next to me, waiting for response)
3. Ischemia ( I will apply for a check-up by a vascular surgeon)
4. A combo of all of the above.
5. VEGF (what produces the kind of VEGF I need? can I hurt myself to start that process?)
Gus,

I think you are on the right track. I have found 4 things that promote revascularization and neuroregeneration: L-lysine, l-arginine, niacin and high blood oxygen. I figure that the latter can be achieved in any number of ways such as HBOT, oxygen supply (tank or concentrator), oral sodium chlorite, intravenous sodium chlorite solution or intravenous hydrogen peroxide. I think that doing HBOT a few times a week is recommended.

The trick is to take a high daily dose of l-lysine, niacin and l-arginine. 60 mg/kg of each is about right. More may be better. My wife now takes 6 grams of each every day. She has decided to phase out the OSC in favor of breathing oxygen through a nose canula. She keeps her oxygen saturation at 97-98% all the time, about normal. She increases it to 100% 1 hour a day. If you choose to do this, you will need a pulse-oximeter which can be bought at most drug stores.

So far, stopping OSC has not resulted in relapse. In fact, her breathing has gotten stronger in the last few days and her ALS has not progressed at all in the last 6 weeks. We'll see how she fares in the next few weeks.

Louis

PS. Any PALS who decides to stop taking OSC should replace it with some other kind of oxygen therapy. You run the risk of accelerated disease progression otherwise. I now believe that the only therapeutic value of sodium chlorite is blood oxygenation. As I've said before, I don't believe in Neuraltus's TauCl theory.
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DeeBee wrote:
The MNDA research team usually respond to highly technical inquiries........

research@mndassociation.org


Phone from US 011 44 1604 611 880
Fafut_1
Posted: Sunday, March 11, 2012 6:08:18 AM
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this may be the reason why pals (in early stages) feel better right after exercises - better blood flow/supply
De Laval
Posted: Sunday, March 11, 2012 6:31:27 AM
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Rob Goldstein is the communications manager and on behalf of this function he can not retrieve information from which Dr. Rafael. That we should as patients really have too do ourselves
The independence of ALSTDI is central here, and if Rob would talk with Dr. Rafael this is seen as a conflict of interest.
The above is my personal opinion

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