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Big Mike
Posted: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:03:42 PM
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I know that Project ALS and Jeff Rothstein aren't thought of too highly around here but this seems like a pretty important collaboration they have formed in order to accelerate research over the course of the next three years:

http://www.projectals.org/PDFs/P2_ALS_draft_press_release.pdf



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Lily
Posted: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:09:53 PM
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Why aren't they thought well of?
RobGoldstein
Posted: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:31:06 PM

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Hello all,

I just wanted to let everyone know that ALS TDI and Project ALS have an informal meeting scheduled for next week. Dr. Perrin and myself and meeting with Meredith and Valerie while we are in town for the BIO CEO & Investor Conference. Dr. Perrin is speaking at that meeting, and if anyone is interested you can listen to a podcast interview with Dr. Perrin previewing his talk online via this link: http://als.net/Podcasts/Default.aspx

I will be certain to post summary thoughts from our meeting with Project ALS sometime next week.

Best,
Rob

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aeg
Posted: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:33:00 PM
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One reason is because he is the researcher who brought forth the excess glutamate as the key problem in ALS theory to ALS research and the one who brought us Rilutek. Unfortunately as the evidence has weakened that glutamate is the key problem in ALS (Just ask ALS-TDI researchers their opinion on the Glutamate theory) Dr. Rothstein and the Packard Center stubbornly have plowed ahead for years trying to prove this very shaky theory. It seems they are very slow to adapt and stubborn about changing the course of their research when it becomes necessary. Given Dr. Rothstein's track record I wish project ALS would have seen fit to spend this funding elsewhere (like with ALS-TDI for example). I hope this money will not be wasted.
RL Schafferr
Posted: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:48:33 PM
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JHU should replace him at the first opportunity..He has mislead many PALS and clinics into using a very expensive and very worthless drug..And he is still pushing both theories..Ron
Lily
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My husband was diagnosed 2.5 years ago, has been on Rilutek from the beginning, and has had a fairly slow progression. I don't know if that would have happened anyway, but it's possible that Rilutek has been helpful.
Big Mike
Posted: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:25:32 PM
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I hope something good comes out the meeting with Project ALS, Rob. It would be nice if they formed a collaboration with TDI. Maybe you guys can discuss your reservations about Dr. Rothstein and the glutamate hypothesis.



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RL Schafferr
Posted: Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:24:45 PM
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Lily wrote:
My husband was diagnosed 2.5 years ago, has been on Rilutek from the beginning, and has had a fairly slow progression. I don't know if that would have happened anyway, but it's possible that Rilutek has been helpful.
If I had to bet,I would say your husband is progressing at HIS own rate.I would take that money and buy something I wanted..Many studies , I believe even ALSTDI ran a trial on it, and didn't show any noticeable efficacy..Even JHU trial only extended [they claim ] life by 3 months..If you THINK something helps, placebo affect has proven it does..For a while..7 yrs PALS..experience..
I would never advise anyone to take it or not, but I know very few PALS who do..Just my opinion...Ron
Big Mike
Posted: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:19:19 PM
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I don't think we can automatically dismiss the potential benefits that may come out of the collaboration between Robert Packard and Project ALS. A lot of organizations are involved (including my old alumni, the University of Montana), so I'm sure they are going to be looking at a lot of things besides just glutamate.

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RL Schafferr
Posted: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:37:12 PM
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I wish all of them was in collaboration , Mike..Then they would all be on the same page working for a common goal..CUREING US..
Rothstein should not lead the group above , and I'll make you a bet he is.. Ron
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I advise all people who have doubt about Rilutek to select in PLM (Patients like me) "Rilutek" as a treatment, and take the work, arduous work, of comparing ALS FRS of patients when they follow the treatment.

Personally I think that it's valid for some people but it works nothing for a great majority.

Cristina
RL Schafferr
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I'd bet you what you are seeing in the FRS is nothing to do with Rilutek , but it's the PALS own progression keeping the FRS the same or slower decline..
How would you know?
You wouldn't..Cause there's no way to tell, and all trials run showed nothing but a three months life extension..All noise..My opinion..Ron
RobGoldstein
Posted: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:46:32 AM

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Hello everyone,

As promised, I am writing today to summarize our meeting with Meredith and Valerie Estess of Project ALS. Yesterday, Dr. Perrin and I had lunch with the two sisters and co-founders of the ALS research organization based in New York City. Meredith serves as the Project ALS President and Valerie as their Director of Research. During our conversation we covered a wide array of topics including a review and update on the two organization's missions and approach to funding research as well as scientific strategy. The back and forth went very well and Dr. Perrin was invited to return to NYC to present data from our work to members of the Project ALS team based near Columbia University.

Steve and I both thank Meredith and Valerie for taking the time to meet with us yesterday. We look forward to continuing to learn more about their efforts and how our two organizations may potentially work together in the future.

Best,
Rob

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RL Schafferr
Posted: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:49:46 PM
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I thought the Estess sisters was tied in with the Packard Center, Rob
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Posted: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:20:39 PM
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That is what the press release in the first post from the Packard Center says. I just hope they are working on projects completely seperate from the Glutamate hypothesis. I am worried about how they are going to use these resources at the Packard center seeing how attached Dr. Rothestein has been to his glutamate theory over the years.
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Its funny, when the whole lithium thing was happening. Rothstien put out a press release taking credit for lithium/rilutec helping Pals in Italy. A few months later that press release mysteriously disappeared, even though they always keep past releases. [think]
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Hans,

You are right. That was quite an indictment of his motivations. The release referred to something about the combination of Lithium and Rilutek being the key to success. That was a lot of garbage in retrospect now, wasn't it. I wish someone made a copy of that press release before it was shelved. I sure hope the funding from project A.L.S. is not squandered but I would think there is a strong chance it will be. Because many PALS don't live very long it seems Dr. Rothstein has been given a free pass on these issues for many years even in an institution as highly regarded as John's Hopkins. Just another bad break in the line of many for PALS I suppose.
Wayne
Posted: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:39:28 PM
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You all need to learn how to use that Search button! The offending article was posted on this forum.

http://www.als.net/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=45783

FROM THE DIRECTOR
Exciting New Human ALS Trial: Lithium and Riluzole

Recently, a study was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, by an Italian group of scientists and clinicians examining the ability of lithium to increase the neuroprotective actions of riluzole in ALS mice and patients.

This study was highly significant in that it showed, for the first time, a marked potentiation of the actions of riluzole in ALS patients. It showed that riluzole and lithium - combined - were far more effective than riluzole alone at increasing survival and slowing disease in ALS patients.

Although riluzole has been shown in multiple, large, independent human trials to be effective in ALS, its actions to slow disease are quite small. Lithium, a salt, has many, many actions in the nervous system but is best known for its ability to treat a very different brain disease: manic depression.

The combination of both lithium and riluzole in ALS patients appeared to keep patient alive longer and slow loss of breathing capacity and other clinical measures of disease progression.

To those of us who work very hard to translate science into effective therapeutics and to those who diagnose and manage ALS patients, this new study is extremely exciting.

It shows that drug combinations, when studied carefully, might actually very significantly slow down ALS and extend the lives of patients.

The actual study by the Italians was quite small. And the history of most modern medical research has taught us that small studies with patients need to be replicated with larger studies. All too often results of small studies are not reproduced when better and larger studies are carried out.

For this reason Packard Center clinicians and scientists are in the process of working with major ALS non-profits, the government, and European colleagues to move as quickly as possible to replicate this very small study with a larger one.

Details of the study will be reported as soon as we know more.

Does that mean patients should wait until a larger study of lithium and riluzole is complete before they consider taking the drug? Lithium is a drug very widely used for psychiatric disorders like manic depression. Its use must be monitored by physicians with appropriate physical exams and blood tests.

All patients interested in taking lithium plus riluzole should discuss this with their local physicians and/or neurologists.

The community of scientists and patients have all too often been disappointed with outcomes of ALS clinical trials, especially after we all get excited by experimental mouse data. But human trials provide the only data that really count.

We deeply hope that this novel combination of riluzole and lithium will turn out to be the “real thing” and we are collectively working hard to make that happen.



Jeffrey D. Rothstein MD, PhD
Professor of Neurology and Neuroscience
Director, Robert Packard Center for ALS Research
Big Mike
Posted: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:07:37 PM
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RL Schafferr wrote:
I wish all of them was in collaboration , Mike..Then they would all be on the same page working for a common goal..CUREING US..
Rothstein should not lead the group above , and I'll make you a bet he is.. Ron


Can't take that bet, Ron...sorry. I also suspect that Rothstein is leading the group effort, but they will undoubtedly be looking at other things besides just glutamate.

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ENV
Posted: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:33:35 PM

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Nice work Wayne.

I would also point people to the Internet Wayback Machine at http://www.archive.org.

The Internet never forgets.

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