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lotusturk
Posted: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:47:18 PM
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Hello everybody.
I m from Turkey and 29 years old.
I just want some help.

Before my story i pray all als and other illness people.I hope god will help everybody

Everything started 4 months ago.I felt numbness on my head and on my right arm for 3 days.Then i went to neorology doctor and she wanted some blood test coz she had doubt about b12.

Well.Blood results said that my b12 vitamine is not enough.Then i had injection for 2 months and my b12 is okay now.
In this time i had alot of twitchs and numbness then these things gone away.I had some throat problem too.Its like a somethings in my throat or somebody chocks me.Then all sympthoms gone for a time.

But it started again.Some twitchs and weakness.They made some blood test and checked my ck.Ck is okay but i couldnt be sure.Visited another nerology doctor and he said that u are in major depression and i started to use paxil.
But this pill made me worse and for being sure i wanted EMG test from them.They made it and everythings okay.No problem in my EMG test.
After it i thought that all is okay now but just in one night like somebody stolen my power from my legs and arms.My knees inside as empty.I have no power on my arms and legs.Or feel like that.I cant manage myself while walking in the street sometimes.But i can carry any heavy things, can run and still powerful.No any losing power but i feel so weak.

Then crazy twitchs started again with cramps.Visited another nerology doctor and blood results are again ok.He said that you are powerful and energic.I asked him that so why do i feel as a dead body? what about cramps and twitchs on my body?He said that coz of depression.

I didnt believe him and visited another doctor and said that i have cramps,twitchs and weakness.He made some tests and said that its depression coz you are so powerfull.

Well.I visited 12 different doctors.Nerology,throat,psychiatrist.All of them said same things.(YOU ARE IN JUST HUGE DEPRESSION)

But i dont belive them.How can it be?I feel like a dead body.I have twitchs but not so strong now.I have cramps but these cramps come and go sometimes.I have problem on my throat.Like a somethings there and chocks me.And on my arms like a fire.They are burning.But my legs and feet so cold.My legs and arms itching as a crazy.

I wrote a letter to Turkish Als community and admin answered me.By the way admin is an eye doctor and als ill person since 1990.He said that dont worry coz you cant be als.But i m still not sure.

So what is that? I really dont understand anything and going to mad slowly slowly.Yes i m in huge depression coz lost my job but a depression can make these sympthoms?

Can ALS be so fast? Can it be ALS if blood results and EMG tests are ok ,can this illness hide itself? What can it be depression or any other illness

I believe in god and even if i have als i can accept it so easy.I just bored my this unknown situation.Just want to be sure whats that?ALS,Depression or any other illness?

Sorry for my poor english.
And thanks for answer already.
Have nice day to all usa
Greetings from Turkey...
RL Schafferr
Posted: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:54:20 PM

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ALS does not come and go. It stays and gets worse..yes. Depression and anxiety can cause those symptoms. Low potassium can cause cramps, twitches, and muscle weakness.
I woke up one morning and fell out of bed..legs was dead.. Ate some bananas , took some potassium pills and was ok..
ALS is not a disease that comes and goes my friend..it comes and stays and kills your ass. I have it..so I know..
Dave J
Posted: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:12:24 PM

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Lotusturk, it was not clear from your post whether you lost your job and then developed these symptoms, or lost your job because you developed these symptoms. It was also not clear if your job was so stressful that the stress might have led to symptoms such as you describe.

The symptoms (other than weakness) which you describe are not typical of depression. Since you acknowledge having depression you would probably be willing to ascribe those symptoms to depression if the symptoms were really due to the depression. Since you don't believe the symptoms are caused by depression, neither do I.

There are no diagnostic tests to prove you have ALS, unless genetic testing shows you have known familial type, which however is a small percentage of ALS patients who usually present with typical symptoms.

There is a lot of variability among ALS patients, since ALS is not a specific disease but just a category for patients with upper and lower motor neuron symptoms that the doctor can't explain in terms of some other definite disease. However ALS symptoms don't come and go suddenly as you describe, and aren't normally accompanied by such prominent sensory disturbances that you describe. Another thing that isn't typical of ALS is feeling weak and yet having full strength.

The doctor says, "don't worry, you don't have ALS." Easy for him to say! I don't think you have ALS, but you obviously have reason to worry if your body is malfunctioning as you describe.

I hope someone on the forum here can offer some informed guesses as to what your medical problem might be, esp. since you report that EMG and bloodwork are normal. Ron (Schafferr) already suggested low potassium as a possibility.

Wishing you the best,

--Dave J.

lotusturk
Posted: Thursday, May 12, 2011 4:59:40 AM
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Hello Dave and thanks for the answer
I was working as a history teacher in private high school.Then i quit my job coz of serving to army(In Turkey no willing systhem about army,every Turkish men serving to army for a time)
I had no so stressful job and i loved my job.
After army i worked as a manager of shop.In this time no problem too about my health.
But this shop closed 8 months ago and i stayed at home all day.
Never contacted to people, i was in my room all day.
Then sympthoms started.


I know that these sympthoms are not typical of depression and i asked to doctors.
But before that my b12 was so low.And u know that if b12 so low almost same sympthoms with als.
(weakness,twitch,cramps,throat and tounge problems)
My b12 is okay now but sympthoms are same.Doctors said that coz of paxil makes these sympthoms.
(u know that paxil is anti depressan pill)

I know that there is no diagnostic test for als.
But they said that your blood Ck is so important about that kind of illness.
And Emg can prove that too.
In my family My two grandfathers has died coz of cancer.My 2 uncle has died coz of cancer too.
My father is breast cancer since 2006 but he is okay now thanks to god.
By the way i know that this illneess not about old people.
It will be surprising for you maybe but i know a guy when he was 17 doctors diagnosed his als illness.He is 23 now.

I really dont belive to doctors.Yes they have logical explainings for all my sympthoms.
But in same time these sympthoms in ALS too.
A professor checked me and he said i saw alot of als ill people and i diagnosed myself.
But your sympthoms are not same with them.

Then i visited another nerology doctor.She is so young and great doctor.
She goes to your country so often for congress and working american doctors together.
She said same things.She said that its impossible coz you are powerfull and no losing power.

If my potassium is low so why my blood tests are okay?
low potassium cant show itself in blood tests?
I really confused as a crazy and going to mad.
Maybe very soon i have to go and stay mental hospital.
Coz lost my reality.

Thank you for the answer Dave J.

lotusturk
Posted: Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:48:19 PM
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RL Schafferr wrote:
ALS does not come and go. It stays and gets worse..yes. Depression and anxiety can cause those symptoms. Low potassium can cause cramps, twitches, and muscle weakness.
I woke up one morning and fell out of bed..legs was dead.. Ate some bananas , took some potassium pills and was ok..
ALS is not a disease that comes and goes my friend..it comes and stays and kills your ass. I have it..so I know..


Thanks for the answer and get healthy soon.
I dont think so its about potassium coz my blood tests ok.
I think if my potassium was low that it would show itself in blood test.
Weakness few times gone and came back.
But at 22 april just in one night my power gone from my legs and arms.
My feet and legs become so cold but my arms are burning.
I have alot of pains on my body.
Is it possible in ALS?
i mean being cold and warm in same time?
And i have itch too as a crazy on my arms and legs.
thanks for the answer already

Greetings from Turkey
RL Schafferr
Posted: Thursday, May 12, 2011 3:41:18 PM

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When you describe staying in a room for several days and then the symptoms started, I still say it's anxiety and nerves. Nerves will burn and feel icy hot. ALS does not. Anxiety will cause all the symptoms you describ.
If you eat before the tests your potassium has a chance to get in normal range. ALS does not..I repeat , does not come and go..
However, your mind can definatly cause you to have the symptoms of ALS if you dwell on it. You will develop the symptoms .
To Dave,,I say reread this guys post. It has all the classic signs of being deeply depressed and anxious .
He does not have ALS .
There are many diseases that mimic ALS . Get checked for some of them..I'll bet you my seat in hell and sit on a nail keg that it's nerves.
criscapelo
Posted: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:15:25 PM
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Hi, Lotusturk and welcome here. As you know everything is relative. I mean you're lucky because most probably you haven't ALS. Having a mental illness isn't good also, but at least hope of healing is much higer. I don't know which are the symptoms of a depression, but I know for sure that being so tired is one of them.

You have to recognize that having visited 12 neuros isn't a good symptom, Lotus. You're a bit obsessed, don't you?

I know this is easier to say than to do, but make the most of your strenght and take a ride on a bike or make a mild (or strong if you are able!) exercise so you can forget for a while your health. Think that human body is able to cure itself a lot of diseases and who knows, if you don't pay much attention, if you don't get obsessed perhaps gradually you recover your health.

Believe Ron and Dave, your disease fortunately isn't ALS, and celebrate it.

Cristina
RL Schafferr
Posted: Thursday, May 12, 2011 9:50:42 PM

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Good advice , Cristy
lotusturk
Posted: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:05:04 AM
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RL Schafferr wrote:
When you describe staying in a room for several days and then the symptoms started, I still say it's anxiety and nerves. Nerves will burn and feel icy hot. ALS does not. Anxiety will cause all the symptoms you describ.
If you eat before the tests your potassium has a chance to get in normal range. ALS does not..I repeat , does not come and go..
However, your mind can definatly cause you to have the symptoms of ALS if you dwell on it. You will develop the symptoms .
To Dave,,I say reread this guys post. It has all the classic signs of being deeply depressed and anxious .
He does not have ALS .
There are many diseases that mimic ALS . Get checked for some of them..I'll bet you my seat in hell and sit on a nail keg that it's nerves.



Hello Rl Schafferr and thanks for the answer.
I really feel sorry coz steal your time with my questions.
I know that in ALS sympthoms dont come and go.
But my weakness continue since april 22.
Problem is that i have doubt this is bulbar als coz my throat is worse and i have never felt like that before.
Somethings in my throat and that things are becoming worse every new day.
They were on my throat but now close to my tongue and so fast.

Greetings from Turkey.
lotusturk
Posted: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:09:22 AM
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criscapelo wrote:
Hi, Lotusturk and welcome here. As you know everything is relative. I mean you're lucky because most probably you haven't ALS. Having a mental illness isn't good also, but at least hope of healing is much higer. I don't know which are the symptoms of a depression, but I know for sure that being so tired is one of them.

You have to recognize that having visited 12 neuros isn't a good symptom, Lotus. You're a bit obsessed, don't you?

I know this is easier to say than to do, but make the most of your strenght and take a ride on a bike or make a mild (or strong if you are able!) exercise so you can forget for a while your health. Think that human body is able to cure itself a lot of diseases and who knows, if you don't pay much attention, if you don't get obsessed perhaps gradually you recover your health.

Believe Ron and Dave, your disease fortunately isn't ALS, and celebrate it.

Cristina



Hello Criscapelo and thanks for the answer.
Maybe you are right coz i really creat problem about my sympthoms.
But to be honest i really try to be relax but my throat doesnt let me feel like that.
As i wrote before its getting worse and so strange feeling in my mouth.
Its like a alot of strange things in my throat and these things are coming to my tongue so fast.
Now i dont feel my throat so clearly coz of that problem.
Wish i could be so relax and calm but its really impossible.

By that way so sorry about the earthquake in your country.
Greetings from Turkey.
GusGargoyle
Posted: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:22:39 AM

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Go and check yourself for all infectious diseases there are. I recommend checking for Borrelia and Chlamydia Pneu. Do you feel tired after a full nights sleep? If so then you should definently continue to nag your doctors and get to the solution. Damn it I waited for 4 years with fatigue and it brought me to Bulbar ALS. I had three probable infections in my body which are now having a feast in my brain (according to my own theory) Get to the bottom of this, if you d like search for Augsburg Borreliose Centrum and check your values.

http://borreliawenttofar.wordpress.com
lotusturk
Posted: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:27:59 AM
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GusGargoyle wrote:
Go and check yourself for all infectious diseases there are. I recommend checking for Borrelia and Chlamydia Pneu. Do you feel tired after a full nights sleep? If so then you should definently continue to nag your doctors and get to the solution. Damn it I waited for 4 years with fatigue and it brought me to Bulbar ALS. I had three probable infections in my body which are now having a feast in my brain (according to my own theory) Get to the bottom of this, if you d like search for Augsburg Borreliose Centrum and check your values.


When i woke up at the morning i feel like a dead body for 15/20 minutes.
Then i m becoming normal but again weak.But this weakness not so strong as i felt at the morning.
Problem is my throat.I have no problem about eating,drinking and talking.
But i really dont know about tomorrow.Coz it seems to me that i will lose my talk and tongue coz this feeling so so fast.
I really bored to go to doctors.After 12 different doctors i dont want to go to any doctor.
Thanks for the answer GusGargoyle.
Greetings from Turkey
GusGargoyle
Posted: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:37:21 AM

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Hey Lotusturk. That is about the same feeling as I have had for 8 years. It can be because of oxygen deprivation and in the end your body will shut down. You should definently go and check yourself for, asthma, because if this is a chlamydia pneu infection it will jump directly in to your throat causing you to have a much harder time to breath when you sleep. About your throat. For me I had a lot of fluids in my throat that I attributed to my allergies.

You said you ve had this since a few months. Well you are hopefully going to be just fine, this is not yet chronic I believe. Go on antibiotics for 3 weeks 200mg of Doxyferm one in the morning and one in the night. And hopefully your problems will clear up. I ve heard it is easy to get doxy in Turkey so it is worth taking a shot. Also while taking doxy don t stay in the sun and buy a probiotic which will help your stomache while you are on the antibiotics.

http://borreliawenttofar.wordpress.com
lotusturk
Posted: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:35:54 AM
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GusGargoyle wrote:
Hey Lotusturk. That is about the same feeling as I have had for 8 years. It can be because of oxygen deprivation and in the end your body will shut down. You should definently go and check yourself for, asthma, because if this is a chlamydia pneu infection it will jump directly in to your throat causing you to have a much harder time to breath when you sleep. About your throat. For me I had a lot of fluids in my throat that I attributed to my allergies.

You said you ve had this since a few months. Well you are hopefully going to be just fine, this is not yet chronic I believe. Go on antibiotics for 3 weeks 200mg of Doxyferm one in the morning and one in the night. And hopefully your problems will clear up. I ve heard it is easy to get doxy in Turkey so it is worth taking a shot. Also while taking doxy don t stay in the sun and buy a probiotic which will help your stomache while you are on the antibiotics.


thanks for the answer
so is it bulbar als?
how did your sympthoms started?

Greetings from Turkey.
GusGargoyle
Posted: Friday, May 13, 2011 7:40:37 AM

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No I do not think you have Bulbar.

http://borreliawenttofar.wordpress.com
lotusturk
Posted: Friday, May 13, 2011 7:45:42 AM
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GusGargoyle wrote:
No I do not think you have Bulbar.


Thanks for the answer GusGargoyle
Are u from Sweeden?
You have Als illness?
RL Schafferr
Posted: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:30:00 PM

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Lotus...we can't diagnose you, or should we try. But you keep thinking you have ALS , and you just might talk yourself into it.
Ask yourself " what if you do have it? " there's not a thing you can do. So I'd live while I could if I was you.
lotusturk
Posted: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:37:26 PM
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RL Schafferr wrote:
Lotus...we can't diagnose you, or should we try. But you keep thinking you have ALS , and you just might talk yourself into it.
Ask yourself " what if you do have it? " there's not a thing you can do. So I'd live while I could if I was you.


Alright RL Schafferr
Thank you.
Greetings from Turkey
RL Schafferr
Posted: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:06:53 PM

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And good luck , my friend..I wish you the best..from South Carolina..USA.
Olly
Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:50:19 PM

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Get back fast on the B12as it cured you before.
Blood test for B12deficiency can give false positives.
If the Doctor will not give you B12 injections start taking B12 tablets of at least 5mg per day.
The body will only absorbed 1% of large dose B12 if you have an absorbsion problem and B12 is safe.

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