To everyone in the forum what Tom is talking about is a variation of MMS. Now I know as soon as you say MMS everyone starts to roll their eyes and say "oh boy not this again".

The more I look into this the more I think Tom is right. I think there is another way to get the same active ingredient as NP001, namely Chlorite, into your blood. That is through sodium chlorite.

I not only think it might work, I don't see how it can't.

What is NP001? It is WF10. What is WF10, it is diluted TCDO. What is TCDO? Oxygen, water and chlorite.

Chlorite is Chlorite.

If the Chlorite ion is doing the work of NP001 it doesn't really matter how it gets into the blood.

But the wiki page for TCDO is missing some information. The formulation for TCDO is only half the story, namely the negative half, or the negative ion half. It has conveniently left out the positive ion. It is impossible to have a substance consisting of only positive or only negative ions. It must be balanced with positive ions. My money is on the positive ions being sodium.

I don't know if this forum discourages 'alternative treatments' if so I will post the recipe on PLM. Alternative treatments is what PLM is all about.

I have been discussing this in great detail with Tom and with some of the pALS in my support group. 3 are convinced enough to give it a try. Check out HoosierPal on PatientsLikeMe.

I have been having this conversation for a few months now in private, its time to make it public.

The only way we are going to find out if it works is to try it and to report it on PLM.

Thanks,

Ben

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If it is done in secret, it is done in vain.

will you please post the recipe up here?
we are as open minded as desparate

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Arthur van Outersterp
dx PLS 1999

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/MMS.html
i dont know if this is relevant or not

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"The pharmaceutical business is uglier than most things. It is normally perceived as some kind of cruel and shallow money trench through the heart of the medical industry, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs, for no good reason." modified words of Hunter S. Thompson

There are a number of cautions involved with this.

First you must realize that chlorite is a free radical. It can cause oxidative stress to the body. The body runs on oxidation, so it is capable of handling the oxidative stress up to a point. However, when you exceed that point you can do damage.

Sodium chlorite is a stable form of chlorine dioxide. It has an alkaline PH. When you lower its PH, chlorous acid is formed and chlorine dioxide gas is released. At higher concentrations, chlorine dioxide is a bleaching agent and is used in the pulp and paper industry to bleach pulp.

At lower concentrations it is used for water disinfection, sanitation, biofilm removal, and as a biostat rinse for food processing.

With water purification chlorite is the disinfection by product from chlorine dioxide treatment. The chlorite left in the water is regulated and dictates the amount of chlorine dioxide that can be used.

Chlorine dioxide is great for bleaching flour, bleaching pulp, disinfecting water, sanitizing hard surfaces, and keeping the bacterial growth on food down to acceptable levels, but translating its success in these areas to using it inside the human body has not been studied and there may be side effects involved in long term use.

Since it hasn't been studied, no one knows.

People have been drinking solutions of sodium chlorite since the mid 1960's. Adverse effects have been reported, but no deaths. I will go out on a limb here and boldly state that ingesting small amounts of sodium chlorite is not lethal. In addition, the saftey studies done with NP001 show that small amounts of chlorite are considered safe.

The more recent "crazes" of ingesting sodium chlorite involve Vitamin O, Nzymes Ox-E-Drops, and MMS.

At higher concentrations people report vomiting, nausea, and explosive diarrhea. This is usually enough to get people to back down, and these symptoms seem to be short lived. There are many variables involved, but these symptoms seem to start to manifest when the intake of chlorite reaches about 1.0 mg/kg of body weight. Once again, this is anecdotal, so don't treat it as a hard number.

If anyone is entertaining the ideal of ingesting a sodium chlorite solution, you need to be aware of these adverse effects and have a plan in place to counter them. Since chlorite is a free radical, vitamin C (an antioxidant) will neutralize chlorite, as will most other antioxidants.

The problem is that chlorite has a half life of over 40 hours so it may take a few days to get back to "normal."

After reading all of this you may no longer be interested in becoming a test rat and that may be a good choice. On the other hand the question has been brought up about the difference between IV infusion of chlorite and ingestion of chlorite.

There is a difference. With IV use you can achieve higher levels. This brings the question to how much is needed... I believe that is part of what is being studied in the clinical trial. With ingestion lower levels are achieved and by taking the solution over a longer period of time you get more exposure to chlorite than what is currently being done with the IV infusions.

No one knows what level of chlorite is therapeutic. This is all a big experiment. So far no one trying sodium chlorite has reported that their ALS condition has been aggravated and their rate of decline increased. Some have reported some minor improvements in 8 - 10 days of taking it.

I don't think drinking a sodium chlorite solution will replace NP001 or WF-10. I don't know if drinking a sodium chlorite solution will help people with ALS. All of these have chlorite in common, so there may be something there, but it has not been tested.

In higher concentrations chlorite damages blood cells and causes a reduced startle response in rats. In people exposed to higher levels of chlorine dioxide methemoglobin levels are increased after the exposure. These chemicals are also considered a respirator irritant.

Another thing to consider is that sodium chlorite is listed as a pesticide...

After doing my best to warn of the possible adverse effects and the experimental nature of sodium chlorite, let's move on to chemistry.

Sodium chlorite is involved with chlorine dioxide technology, acidified sodium chlorite technology involving chlorous acid, and sodium chlorite technology. The biggest difference in all of these is the activation.

Those who have studied WF-10 and NP001 should have noticed that there is a lot done on the activation side to get these chemicals to the point where they can be injected into the bloodstream with minimal side effects. The activation process is critical to the successful use of sodium chlorite.

Those are the highlights of the cautions. I don't want to give false hope to anyone. It is possible that NP001 has some "magic" formulation that accounts for its effectiveness. Sodium chlorite is basic. It may not work the same as NP001, in fact it probably won't. Still I believe chlorite is chlorite. If chlorite is the cause of the improvements people are seeing, then there is more than one way to get chlorite into the body.

I am not a medical professional. If anyone is thinking about drinking a sodium chlorite solution they should be monitored by someone that has an understanding of oxidative stress. I would suggest starting with some blood work to get a base line to compare with, and monitoring liver enzymes wouldn't be a bad idea. The neurological issues don't seem to manifest themselves until extended exposure to chlorite, still it would be good to record a discussion before starting, if possible, just to have a comparison if changes occur.

There have been many discussions about various "snake oil" treatments for ALS. This may end up as one of those. I wish I had 10 million dollars and 10 years to study this, but I don't, and many people here can't wait 10 years.

I can provide instructions on how to mix a batch up, if there is interest in trying this "snake oil." No promises concerning effectiveness.

Tom

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I have experienced significant burning from NP001 at the site of injection. I can only imagine how much damage would be done if taken orally at the dosage needed to be effective for ALS. Also, I find it hard and believe Neuraltus hasn't explored this method of treatment.
Frank

HP I looked at HoosierPal on PLM. Looked at his medications. Didn't see WF10 or chlorite.

Hello Michael,

MMS is a brand of sodium chlorite that has a 28% by weight concentration. It is hazardous to handle and ship, but seems to be readily available.

A 5% concentration is much safer to handle, and there are no shipping restrictions, but it is a little harder to find.

I use the comparison to hydrogen peroxide. 35% hydrogen peroxide is hazardous to handle where the 3% you find in the store is much safer. Both are the same product. Rarely do you need the higher concentration.

If you have 28% sodium chlorite you can dilute it down to a 5% solution for general use.

Tom

Believe I'll pass on this one, Silver Fox. By the way, are you trying it? And what side effects u notice?

Hello Ron,

I am with you on your thinking, but Neuraltus seems to think that chlorite can do something with the white blood cells that can help.

Limited testing seems to indicate that they may be onto something. I wish I knew, but I don't. We need a micro biologist to comment on this.

I have had many discussions with MS researchers and they have seen some improvements using sodium chlorite solutions but the big problem is how to rebuild the body. I don't think full improvement can be realized until a way to rebuild the body is figured out. The body can do some rebuilding on its own, but in advanced stages I think some outside help will be needed.

I think the pulsing nature of treatment is designed to allow the body to do some rebuilding during the rest periods.

Tom

Edit to add: I use sodium chlorite daily, but I don't have ALS. I use it for oral hygiene, wilderness water purification, emergency water storage, general sanitation, and food processing. There are no incidents of E coli breakouts in my household...

I totally understand and support your position to not try oral sodium chlorite. I hope and pray that NP001 is made available to you in a timely fashion.

John,
You have the correct person. Scroll down to Nutrition/Diet. It lists Sodium Chlorite at 1L daily.